Showing posts with label Old Uppsala. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Old Uppsala. Show all posts

Thursday, April 5, 2012

Pan-Archeology, Pan-Religion. New and Old World. Old Uppsala; Cahokia; Cultural Commonality


Similarities in monuments globally, symbols here and there. There are mound-building burial peoples, resembling the structures in Scandinavia and particularly Old Uppsala, in the Western Hemisphere, and not just the Maya and others in Central and South America.  See the National Geographic's Mississippian World article, era 800 - 1050 - 1100 ACE ff; Cahokia, America's Forgotten City, at http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/01/cahokia/hodges-text.

1.  Cahokia is the largest of many agricultural communities that, apparently suddenly -- little gradual build-up -- sprang up in the Southern and Southwestern United States. Cahokia was a full city.  Long used as a mere source of dirt, wearing down rather than excavations showed places of apparent human sacrifice or execution, some 53 women, a high-status man, and four men, or would that just be a burial, ritual, buildings on top of the mounds. Some were some 30 feet high, some 300 feet long. See http://www.legendsofamerica.com/il-cahokia.html.  The name relates only to a French settlement there in the 17th Century.

2.  Monk's Mound, as it is called, covers some 14 acres and that makes it larger in footprint than the Great Pyramid at Khufu. Find images of it at http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=cahokia&qpvt=cahokia&FORM=IGRE.  Artistic pottery design, figures, artifacts.

Someday, an expert will explore similarities in religious beliefs globally, symbols here and there.  These comments from readers were attached to a reference to Odin in another blog, and I reproduce them here, as a Pan-Religious idea.  

"It [the concept of Odin] has very little to do with Sweden apart from that Odin incarnated again and came there. Odin is God.

The very silly propaganda that are being posted and planted everywhere [that Sigge Fridulfsson [early leader of migration from Caucasus to Sweden, and first King, is a man only] is a brainwash. Odin is the God of this world AND he has been reincarnated several times with different names. He is Allfather and all that comes with that title. There is no other "God" than Godan."

Anonymous

And the other reader's response:

"The question doesn't refer to if Odin was a God, but whether Sigge was a man pretending to be a God or if he was a God in mortal form. Then it asks, if he was a man pretending to be a God, how was he successful in convincing others."

Anonymous

Thursday, February 10, 2011

Old Uppsala: Gamla Uppsala. Royal Burial Mounds, Christian Church, Runes

Old Uppsala
Gamla Uppsala

The Church; and the Old Deist Burial Mounds

Gamla Uppsala was a renowned ceremonial site for multi-deist Sweden, a place of religious rites, royal burials and palaces, and a spiritual center in the 11th Century, when a Christian Cathedral was constructed there.

1.  The Church

The form of the church remaining is about half the original size, see http://www.raa.se/cms/en/places_to_visit/gamla_uppsala/history_of_gamla_uppsala.html/.  It was built over the earlier multi-deist structures there. See http://www.sacred-destinations.com/sweden/gamla-uppsala.htm/ 


Religions spread over each other like kudzu.

It was in the ordinary course pf business for Christianity to usurp the spirituality of the conquered, and make its own inroads, like a piggyback where possible; or force itself and then call the resulting brainwashed citizens "converted" -- but it is a sadness and loss to history all the same. The might of the conqueror is not always an indication that they are in any way "divinely promoted."  The old ways may well have suited the culture and topography better.

Multi-deism remains part of Christian culture as well.  Just call the Trinity One. Common sense applies theological sleight-of-hand. Add "evil" and demons, see that even God couldn't control the borders of Eden, and we are not far from the old ways.

Church at Gammla Uppsala.

The church is traditional in layout, see its plan at http://photonorge.com/panoramas/uppsala/   See there the older church yard, its original size. 

Then:  inside.  The old trees are gone from the area, that used to be forested, but see the uses of them, and their size.

Adam of Bremen 

Adam of Bremen, in Germany-land, never came here, although he wrote of the ceremonial site.  

Female participation

In the old church, many of the religious figures are women.  Few are men. There was a time early on when women dominated the contemplative and saintly life, more women saints coming along then men.  That alarmed the church "fathers" so much that they began to take over the convents and their endowments from women's estates, and turn them in to monasteries;  and put the convents under the "supervision" of the monasteries  -- and built large religious male-dominated centers  instead with the women's estates.  




Doctrine evolved from the ether that conformed the new religion to the existing culture and said, regardless of the Founder's fraternizing with women, that men were supposed to be in charge, so watch in the new Uppsala Cathedral -- the statues and the saints are men.  

Women had been in power positions until about the 7th Century, when, in the Carolingian era, the wealthy and influential convents (too wealthy, too influential) were put under monastic supervision.  See http://www.monasticmatrix.org/commentaria/article.php?textId=66


2.  The grounds

Old Uppsala

Old Uppsala is near Stockholm, the city on the archipelago at the deep fjord.  Go to Old Uppsala and be reminded of the greatness of ancient Sweden, see http://www.theancientweb.com/explore/content.aspx?content_id=32/

1.  Founder perhaps

Read at that site that Odin decreed, in the Norse god's wisdom, that the dead shall be burned in a great crematory fire.  The Odin there, however, is probably one Sigge Fridulfson, the great and very human leader of a migration north from the Caucasus a millenium ago, who took the name Odin for himself to pave his own way, see Bogomilia: Sigge Fridulfson. Wise, and it worked.

We found no tribute to the brilliant ruler, Sigge  Frudulfson or Fridulfsson.

It was only after we returned that we found his name connected to one of the earliest migrations north from the Caucasus, and who took the name of Odin so that his and Odin's became one in reverence.  His sons were placed on the thrones in Scandinavia, and he was a fierce but wise ruler.  See Sigge Fridulson, Sigge Frieulfsson, Origin of the Swedes

2.  The site mounds.

Overall, the site is a long wandering line of huge mounds, some excavated.  There were no large treasure troves found, but sites of cremations and some artifacts showing the prominence of those resting there.  Swedish people are not inclined to make Disney out of their traditionally meaningful sites, so there is little fanfare at Gamla Uppsala.  It is largely left to age naturally.  Excellent. No hype.


Leave time to do a long walk around.  There had been a large settlement here in about the 6th Century, and in the Iron Age before that. Adam of Bremen, in Germany, wrote of a Hall of Gold, and the remains of a banquet hall were indeed found. Not the gold.


Tales tell of a large tree at the site, and a deep well, and rituals for centuries there.


There are no display stands, or marker tablets directing your view.  That to us was refreshing.  There is time to let it all sink in, and then look details up later, or in time at the small museum there.







We had thought Sweden to be more mountainous.  Not so near the southern coast, and to Stockholm at least.  Vast flat areas. Some mounds that we saw in driving around are apparently not burial sites necessarily, but glacial moraines. These can protrude up in farmland.  Which are mounds?  Noone looks, because traditionally there are no gold hordes there.






3.  Runes

Memory of Runes

Odin hung from a tree for nine days, in order to gain the secrets of the Runes. See http://www.rune-scripts.arollo.com/legend-odin.htm  This imagery, already familiar, made it easy for Christian missionaries to make inroads with their figure also hung on a tree.  There was less resistance where the gods could be seen as just reappearing in this new one, one in three, what?  three gods?  Just another route to multi-deism? Semantics? sounds fine. Come to church.

This may not be an authentic rune stone -- some are reproductions, and often the tracings are darkened to make reading them easier.  Checking. 


Runes. Entwined, serpentine, musical, lyre-like, evocative.